what kind of confidence can anyone have in an organization that rejected its founder and first two presidents for the first 63 years of its existence?
that's 53% of the time they existed!
any comments.
It is more and more difficult for the Watchtower to perpetuate its myths given newer, and more accurate histories such as this one:
This book is a treasure and so is the authors' blog:
http://truthhistory.blogspot.com/
The Russell story as the watch tower told it has always been mostly a myth. They know this.
mark sanderson - here is some insight on his background taken from this site:.
http://e-watchman.com/congratulations-mark/.
congratulations, mark!.
"Frankly he doesn't look intelligent. I think we all can agree on that. He looks dopey."
What does intelligent look like? I think the MENSA Denver convention is on youtube. Tell me if we looked intelligent.
This post caught my attention through its mention of Melvin Sargent. He was one of the finest men I knew, open, kindly and sharing. The last time I saw him was in the mid- 1980s. Men of his sort are rare within the Witness fellowship.
i need some research done so if anybody has the time, please see what you can find on the subject as stated in the title.. i clearly remember attending my first circuit assembly.
on october 30, 1956, i definitely answered two questions, along with about ten other people including my mother, not at the assembly, but we were standing at the side of a small baptismal pool that was in the basement of a kingdom hall in ronkonkoma, then a small hamlet on long island in the town of islip, suffolk county, new york, united states.. i know for a certainty that in 1945 candidates for baptism were not asked any questions but they were informed through their congregation that there would be a baptism and told where and when it was to be held.
usually the baptism was done at a beach and when candidates showed up in bathing attire, they were dunked, no questions asked.. so sometime between 1945 and 1956 two specific questions began to be asked of candidates.
I was baptized in 1948. The questions as presented in the
1942 Watchtower, page 302, they were:
1. Do you believe in Jehovah God the Father, that “salvation belongeth unto Jehovah,” and that Christ Jesus is his Son in whose blood your sis are washed away and by whom salvation comes to you from God?
2. Have you therefore confessed your sins to God and asked for cleansing by Christ Jesus and therefore turned away from sin and the world, and consecrated yourself without reservation to God to do his will?
As I recall it, these were similar to the questions asked at my baptism in March 1948
that teddy bear baptism video was shocking.. if you haven't seen it yet.
check it out on this thread:.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/271170002/on-subject-child-baptism-video.
Congregation committees have no business dealing with very young children. Most of the current crop of elders are failures as parents. Their children have run wild, 'left the truth,' and pursue a secular life. If they can't engage their own children, how will they regulate the children of others. This is wrong. How desperate for increase in numbers must they be.
There is nothing in the bible that allows an elder to step between a parent and his child. Watchtower elders assume authority beyond anything the scriptures allow.
which bible translation is the best, according to biblical scholars, anybody knows?
please chime in.. i plan on getting it and doing comparison with the new world translation.
sl.
for starters, this topic isn't about former or non-practicing jws, but active ones who are authors.
we all probably have heard of mcmillan's faith on the march and the other one by marley cole, but how about more recently?.
i found a couple.
B. W. Schulz has written two history books, both about aspects of the Watch Tower's early days:
Schulz is elderly and infirm so marginally active, but still a Witness. He writes good, solid history and lets the chips fall where they may. I strongly recommend both books.
A British Witness named Whitby writes about bible translations. I don't have a link, and they're all magazine articles.
missing a lot of the oldies and goodies -- is this site so new, no one has signed on yet?
i am confused... but then, i will have to wait and see what happens.. somehow - change is not the best option but we adjust..have most of the users gone to other locations?.
tl.
as we all know, the internet is a real game-changer in allowing us to know the truth about the watch tower and its history.
i always had doubts and it was the internet that presented me with the ever-growing number of individuals who were going through a similar struggle.. i give the internet a 9 in my awakening.
what about you?.
0. I started fading when the Internet was new. The behaviors of by so-called brothers killed my faith in the Watchtower. If you foster bad behavior; if you encourage it, then you're not God's organization.
what would you recommend for an unbaptized publisher that has learned ttatt and is inactive?
do you think it is best for someone to just continue to be inactive and live & let live?
or take time and write a letter wishing to no longer be an unbaptized publisher?.
walk away quietly. most elders wont notice because they do not care about you or yours. they care about themselves.
we all know the calculations used by the wt to arrive at 1914. fall of babylon in 607 (false year), gentile times, no zero year, ta-da, 1914.. what did they use before that?
i know it wasn't russell who came up with it - he just adopted it.
i'm just curious what they had to explain away when they made the transition.. .
This historical background to the 1874 date is explored in Schulz and de Vienne's Nelson Barbour: The Millennium's Forgotten Prophet.
Both of their books are well worth a thoughtful read.
